Wide Games and the early Girl Scouts?

Girl Scouts?

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With a tissue paper and PVA skirt conversion, these could be early Girl Scouts.

I am slowly trying to work out how to reproduce Boy Scout and Girl Scout Wide Games with miniature figures on the gaming table or in the garden.

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These red petticoats have to go, far too Railway Children! First tissue paper conversions on four spare LBB30 Little Britons 42mm range Boy Scouts into early Girls Scouts and Guides.

Boy Scouts? Girl Scouts? Girl Guides? What’s in a name?

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It took a while to establish standard Girl Scout or Guide uniforms – the blue uniform is more early Girl Guide like, the others more like early Girl Scouts. Paint work, not quite finished yet. 

In Britain since 1910, we have not had mainstream Girl Scouts,  after Guiding was set up to manage the enthusiastic adoption of Scouting for Boys by many Edwardian girls, sometimes originally in mixed troops.

However in some parts of the UK, across America and the world, Girl Scouts have survived in  both name and spirit.

The Girl Scouts of America kept their distinctive Scout name since their formation in 1912, led by Juliette Gordon Low. In this Very good history guide to the early Girl Scouts of Britain before they became Girl Guides, it mentions Cuckoo Patrol Girl Scout troops, the fears about mixed groups, suffragette activities and WW1 and the fact when Guides was set up in Britain  not all Girl Scouts  apparently transferred …

https://lesliesguidinghistory.webs.com/guides.htm

Following the publication of Scouting for Boys in January 1908 girls were actively engaging in Scouting, they had been just as inspired by the ideas in the book as their male counterparts. Troops and patrols of Girl Scouts were encouraged by Robert Baden-Powell;

“I think girls can get just as much healthy fun and as much value out of scouting as boys can. Some who have taken it up have proved themselves good souls in a very short time. As to pluck, women and girls can be just as brave as men and have over and over again proved it in times of danger. But for some reason it is not expected of them and consequentially it is seldom made part of their education, although it ought to be; for courage is not always born in people, but can generally be made by instruction.”

Robert Baden-Powell, The Scout, May 1908

One group of Girl Scouts, sadly only known to us as “Kangaroo Patrol” were so inspired by this quote that they copied it out at the beginning of their patrol magazine in May 1909.   Their magazine was full of adventure stories with Scouts preventing robberies and kidnappings, it also showed girls and boys Scouting together.

Text source: https://heritage.scouts.org.uk/explore/early-days-of-scouting-1907-1920/scoutingforgirls/

Sounds like a good mixed patrol name – Kangaroos!

The British Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts movement (1909), sometimes known as Peace Scouts, ran in parallel for a time, absorbing Girl Scouts who did not want to transfer into Guiding in 1910.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Boy_Scouts_and_British_Girl_Scouts_Association

Wonderfully the BBS and BGS troops still exist in small numbers in Britain and elsewhere proudly wearing the old fashioned uniform, open to boys and girls  and linked to the worldwide scouting movement.

https://www.bbsandbgs.org.uk/differences.php

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Uniforms and patrol flags British Boy Scout and British Girl Scouts 2018/19 website

Baden Powell was surprised but not antagonistic towards the enthusiatic uptake of Scouting for Boys by the kind of vigorous “intelligent sort of girl who likes boys’ games and books” as H.G. Wells observed in his preface to Little Wars  a few years later in 1913.

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British Boys Scouts BBS British Girls Scouts BGS 2019 website photo: Close up details of long socks, patrol colours on garters? Scout staves and patrol flags. Khaki hats and shirts.  The girls are wearing Navy Blue shorts (or maybe culottes) like the boys.

“As records show, at this time Baden-Powell was clearly supportive of Girl Scouts. In May 1908 he wrote to one Girl who enquired that she would be welcome to set up a Patrol of Girl Scouts, and in his regular column in ‘The Scout’ in January 1909 he stated of the girls that “some of them are really capable Scouts” …”

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“ …In the 1909 edition of Scouting for Boys the uniform suggestions included recommending blue skirts for Girl Scouts. Large Scout Rallies were held, including one at Scotstoun near Glasgow, where Girl Scouts were both specifically invited, and warmly welcomed.” Source: Leslie’s guiding history website.

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1909 Early Girls Scouts UK before Guiding: improvised like the Boy Scouts. Colour schemes: Khaki bush hat, long sleeved khaki shirt tucked into a Lincoln Green, dark grey or Navy Blue skirt.

Useful painting or colour scheme tip : blue skirts rather than the Boy Scout blue shorts mentioned in the 1909 Scouting for Boys. Dark Blue went on to become the colour of early Guide uniforms.

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Cropped close up on the Girl Scouts attending the Crystal Place rally 4 September 1909 – a much reproduced photo.

So clearly, throughout 1908 and much of 1909, Girl Scouts were welcomed, both unofficially and officially” including the Crystal Place rally in 1909 where early Girl Scouts were photographed amongst the boys. It is reported that more than 1000 Girl Scouts were present.

“By late 1909 amongst the official Scout membership of 55,000 there were already over 6000 Girl Scouts officially registered, and more registering daily.” Leslie’s Guiding History.

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Blue uniform, blue colour and a glimpse of uniform

By 1910, Guiding had been established to protect the reputation of these Edwardian girls and of the fledgeling Scout Movement. Scouting for Boys was adapted by Baden Powell and his  sister Agnes into a Guiding Manual, “How Girls Can Help Build The Empire”,  designed to equip girls with camping skills, homecraft and child care skills for adult life in Britain or upcountry in the Empire.

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It would be almost 70 years before mixed older (Venture) Scout groups were established again in Britain.

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Early Girl Scout – Leslie’s Guiding History website
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Another fierce looking early Girl Scout from the Leslie’s Guiding History Website.

Leslie’s Guiding Ideas Website also has some contemporary Guiding / Girl Scouts Wide Games  Scenarios, worth coming back to:

https://lesliesguideideas.webs.com/gamesandwidegames.htm

Guiding and scouting being world movements, it is of course possible that fictional  Imagi-Nations like the Bronte family’s  Gondal and Gaaldine, or the many great Tintin-esque Imagi-Nations and Grand Duchys created by gamers could have their own Boy Scout and Girl Scout movements.

Girl Scouts of Gaaldine or Gondal?

Boy Scouts of Angria or Generica, anyone?

Blogposted by Mark Man of TIN (1970s Cub Scout, Bronze Arrow, Retired) 17 May 2019

 

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13 thoughts on “Wide Games and the early Girl Scouts?”

    1. In a world of scratching around to maintain groups with numbers and suitable leaders, I hope that this division does not dilute the overall success. This world scouts adds a useful international angle – I have added darker skin tones to some of my first painted scouts. Pinterest has lots of “scout uniforms of the world” photo and cigarette cards.
      I see this as the Hogwarts / Durmstrang / other International Wizard School element of foreign scouts involved in Jamboree Wide Games. Only the best scouts get to represent their country adds some league / campaign table-ness to individual or group profiles over time.

      Thinking through the RPG games card elements, we ought to have a (Ration Book style) Extra Points category for unknown future individual game use, a “BP factor” or X factor that can cover any A to Z extras needed for individual games from astronomy (the Star Man badge for night navigation) to zombie fighting capability, to cheerfulness etc …
      The 1908 original badge system used by these traditional BP scouts gives us individual variety or ability (a numeric number or modifier to add, overcome or exceed on dice rolls) to different RPG character cards.
      We also have built in the Veteran / Elite / Regular / Militia / Rabble troop range of competence beloved by gamers in the form of scout badged or age gradations from Tenderfoot (newest / youngest) through Second and First Class Scout to Patrol Leaders etc. The equivalent in my brief Wolf Cub Scout days of newbie Bronze Arrow (me) Silver Arrow, sixers, deputy sixers etc.

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      1. Drizzle here persistently , a day for varnishing my patrol rather than al fresco Wide games. Look forward to seeing the bicycles with the Girl Scouts. Casting can wait for better weather.

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    1. I think many Edwardian girls must have thought this was the “Suffragette Vote” of youth – a chance for freedom and fresh air. Partly some suggest that it was concern that this uniformed anarchy and tomboyishness of early Girl Scouts might somehow link up with the suffragettes that Girl Guiding was brought in around 1910 to feminise or put the Girl Scouts back in their place.

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      1. That’s really interesting, Girl Guiding as a means of subverting the scouting spirit into the ‘right’ direction. I never knew that but did abstractedly wonder why Girl Guides and not Girl Scouts. Quite shocking when you think of it.

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